Pretty much done with the game

[wooze]

I'll continue with the fun scheduled groups with people that are fun to run with. You know who you are.

Other than that I am done with WoW. I gave it a try, I really did. The people in the game are miserable jerks. I even tried random pvp BG's for kicks, and found it to be a miserable bunch of assholes. It hasn't changed since the last time I quit. Its not a game anymore, its a serious job for bottom of the barrel people who think its a serious job.

I don't mean LOA, had a blast with each and every one of you. I mean that, not one of you are even hinted at in my rant, you are all great people with great priorities.

Its just me, I don't have the patience for online jerks. I work a stressfull day then come home. I log into games to relieve stress, not meet more stress via worthless f****'ing people in games. I choose not to deal with it at all. Believe me, I Know, I should be able to shrug it off, but I can't, so save the speech:(

I'll be around, but with me not wanting to deal with anyone I don't know, no one outside of the guild, I"m sure I"ll fall behind even faster than I do now.

*shrug*, I've liked the people a lot here, but the rest of the gaming community isn't so great.

Enough rambling, sure I'll change my mind here and there, but mostly the WOW community in general is a huge pile of poo.

[Demari]

I totally agree with you about the general state of the wow community, its gotten ALMOST as bad as diablo 2's or DOTA's community, only instead of elitist 30 somethings it is elitist preteens. So, my sympathies, if I didn't enjoy hangin out with LOA I wouldn't be playing either. Maybe one of the other MMO's will prove to have a better community for you?

[Moritz]

I agree to a point, this game is full of stupid people, but I do admit ive met quite a few awesome folks to game with outside of LoA as well. My suggestion to you, if you want to keep playing but ignore the idiocy is to turn off all your chat channels except guild, and just enjoy gaming/chatting with folks in the guild. You mentioned falling behind, thats only true if you let it be true to your goals. Either way, the point is the game has nice little filters and options to block out the rest of the world. God knows if you try to pvp with BG chat on..... your asking to quit.

[Methus]

I am completely filtered from the outer gaming world. I have it down to the guild in one window and private chat in another and combat in the third. I never deal with anyone outside of the guild. Every game has the turds in it, if you think you're goong to find a community without them then I want what your smoking.

I have enjoyed talking about druids with ya Wooze. I hope you stick with it cause now my lock is 40 and climbing.

[Namoric]

I've done what others have done as well - turned off all chat except Guild and Tells. Sometimes I get brave and pop in trade just to see if I can find an enchant when one of our folks isn't on.

I'll PVP, but switch to my guild tab so I don't see the crap spewing forth from the idiots.

I understand if you have to move on, but wish you wouldn't is what I'm getting at.

[Landro]

I am completely filtered from the outer gaming world. I have it down to the guild in one window and private chat in another and combat in the third. I never deal with anyone outside of the guild. Every game has the turds in it, if you think you're goong to find a community without them then I want what your smoking.

I have enjoyed talking about druids with ya Wooze. I hope you stick with it cause now my lock is 40 and climbing.


I must say WoW is probably the worst at this though. That and the job feel of it he mentioned. I quit for the same reasons you did wooze. I agree with you completely. Only reason i even tried to come back was for Shai and Jemini. LOA is awesome of course, but again, not knowing anything and having to restart you fall into the original problem of soloing all the time....

[Methus]

I must say WoW is probably the worst at this though. That and the job feel of it he mentioned. I quit for the same reasons you did wooze. I agree with you completely. Only reason i even tried to come back was for Shai and Jemini. LOA is awesome of course, but again, not knowing anything and having to restart you fall into the original problem of soloing all the time....



Yeah we know

[Kasu]

Dude, no way!

You gotta stick around, enjoy groupin with you and your always super helpful for the n00bs like myself.

I pretty much don't have any chat on except guild, tells and group. So I'm oblivious to the outside world.

[Coffee!]

Can't hold anything against you. There are a number of people that feel the same way which is why they thry to run with the same crowd all the time. I have a small group I tend to run with all the time, I raid with LOA, and I have a few people I pug with outside of guild that I managed to meet and were not the scum of the virtual-earth. Besides that, I pug 25m OS and Vault and just bite my tongue and consciously moderate my breathing so that I don't stress out too much. For the latter, I put myself thru it and can only blame myself, I don't expect others to do the same...

The game is what you make it but having a community that you can relate too or even tolerate makes for a better game :(

[Demeth]

Not directed at anyone, just at attitudes I disagree with.

Online gaming is online gaming. Anyone can play. The real world is also full of people who behave poorly. The problem with gaming, though, is when the good people leave, the proportion of bad people increases... so leaving gives "them" an advantage. Boo.

My son's been interested in playing, but I don't necessarily want him exposed to gamers. It's still a quandary for me, even if I restrict his access and try protect him within the guild. Heck, I often worry about group and guildchat when he's reading over my shoulder, you know that's responsible parenting because things aren't nearly always G rated, and I'm no saint in that regard either. I'm all about talking to him about anything, but all in good time.

It's not just "them" who create the online gaming environment, "we" are a component of it as well. Self-policing on the Internet is a tiresome battle. People will always spew crap in General chat. And in Forums. And in supermarkets. And in bars. And... everywhere. It's not something exclusive to WoW, sheesh.

I'm just not sure why there seems to be the belief that there's a sunshiny lollipop rainbow game somewhere which doesn't have its fair share of miscreants. Frankly, if we joined it... they'd kick us out.

Gaming is a chore? The other side of the coin is a complete lack of challenge. I don't comprehend this philosophy of "gaming is my entertainment, so make it easy". Or how that applies in any facet of life, for that matter. I work out strenuously so I can keep in shape and improve, and it's hugely rewarding. Generally, you get back what you put in to something. It's how life works. I perform a task, I do it so I'm proud of the results and my success. I don't see the disconnect here, why gaming for fun should be effortless (i.e., not a "chore"). I don't want stuff handed to me, I don't mind working at something to succeed, that's where the worth, the value, is. I can't stand powerlevelling or clearing truly trivial content for this reason.

(We're also teetering on the brink of the casual-versus-hardcore battle ingame, again. It directly relates to the above. Some people simply want to excel. Work hard, play hard. Some people complain about those who are willing to put the hours and effort into gaming, but why? Let people take pride in themselves. If someone wants to put more hours than "normal" into gaming, or landscaping, or their car, or their church, or their athletics, don't look down on them. We're at that point again where raiding is possible, and surprise! We're successful. We're a guild that does raids, but omg, we're not a raiding guild, something's wrong! We were even ready to run two raid groups, amazing. Now that we've accomplished the "basics", the serious (obsessed?) gamers want to achievement, er, achieve more. Why not? Step up if you want to, but don't bring things to a grinding halt if you don't. When there's a compelling challenge to be faced, team success often depends on individual performance, but there's the strange "backing off" vibe going on now. Predictably - simply because it always happens - there's a backlash against, and even amongst, the serious players who went above and beyond, and opened doors to the rest. Now there's conflict based in resisting the game's progression. 'Cause, like, we're not a raiding guild, whatever that means. I just don't get it.)

[Jaegerbrau]

I had forgotten how much I miss Demeth.

Bud, if ever want to try something diff I have a WAR buddy pass with your name on it.

[wooze]

Not directed at anyone, just at attitudes I disagree with.

Now there's conflict based in resisting the game's progression. 'Cause, like, we're not a raiding guild, whatever that means. I just don't get it.)

I calmed down, had a bad day at work and had hoped maybe something as simple as a BG, waste a few gnomes or something would be fun. Had a few run ins with people who seem to only log in to be jerks. Totally my fault for letting it bother me. It just struck a nerve when the old fallback of enjoy some pvp, was even infected by people who seem to only exist in the universe to piss on people.

Now where this became about raid vs casual, I am not really sure? I've seen nothing but pride in you guys beating Naxx, and can't wait to log in and hear ya got Malygos. Sure we might rib Moritz a little about his raid obsession to get the "last" piece of perfect equipment:)

I find it almost impossible to believe anyone is begrudging you guys game progression? I am really not seeing this divide. Opposite actually, you guys are very accommodating to newly 80's. I've been invited a dozen times and chose not to go. I haven't done any reading on the fights and stuff, so figure I shouldn't go until I do my homework.

I very much enjoy the game. Any dissatisfaction has nothing to do with raids or lack there off, Blizzards game design, gaming work ethics, hardcore vs casual, the game being too hard, or anything else that was said above. My stupid rant that I should not have done, was fairly clear in saying it was random tards that I let bother me and shouldn't have. No ones fault but my own for being too thin skinned to ignore it.

I'll try to limit myself to only pugging and stuff when I know I have an abundance of patience and am in the right mood.

Anyways, see ya's in game.

[Demeth]

Now where this became about raid vs casual, I am not really sure? I've seen nothing but pride in you guys beating Naxx, and can't wait to log in and hear ya got Malygos. Sure we might rib Moritz a little about his raid obsession to get the "last" piece of perfect equipment:)

It was just related to what I was talking about, not your running into dorks during your playtime. It's very relevant for the guild atmosphere at this time; the symptoms and the rumblings in the background are all there. I'm just giving the issue a preventative kick in the ba.., er, nipping the bud before it becomes a problem.

And hey, I was on a roll there, already up on my trusty soapbox...

[Savistik]

Wooze, I'm sorry you're not having fun playing. None of what I have to say here is directed at anyone who simply doesn't like the game mechanics, but I'm going to say it anyway.

WoW is not some aberration of online communities. Of course WoW has tons of jackasses because 11 million players means more jackasses to go around. Other games have fewer jerks because there are fewer players, not because there's some magical lower rate of anonymity-cloaked bad players. Every online community with open access -- MMO, bulletin board, Steam, and everything else in-between -- has an inordinate number of jerks around because they can be just that anonymously with little to no consequences. WoW has a corner on the community gaming market, not the jerk market.

If you want a game that doesn't feel like "work" then don't play one with goals or progression. It's simply impossible for designers to make a system that doesn't involve some kind of repetition at the upper levels. It's either too easy for many, too hard for many, or both for a few. Some people fall into that few.

As to solo play, I ask which way did you want it? Brad McQuaid thinks group play is king and solo sucks, too. Everquest and Vanguard took "must wait for a group" to a whole new level leaving thousands of players sitting for hours "Level <#> <classname> LFG" every night hoping to do something worthwhile. People hated that but still wanted a community experience (i.e. not Elder Scrolls), so EQ2 got easier and WoW, easier still.

Ok, I'll be honest about to whom this is directed: Landro, I respect that you're in this guild and that you have your opinions, but we all know, after many posts, that you can't stand WoW and found it to be a tedious, solo grind punctuated by interaction with online 'tards. LOA has a WoW chapter. We play together and enjoy the game. Repeatedly voicing your distaste for our chapter's game of choice when members have expressed issues with the game isn't doing anyone any good, least of all our chapter or our recruits.

[Methus]

Glad it was just a rant Wooze. See you in game :)

/golfclap Savistik